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Get ready to unlock the secrets to a thriving life with renowned educator and bestselling author, Cathleen Beachboard! Join us as Cathleen unveils her groundbreaking Building H.O.P.E.© framework that's transforming schools nationwide! Discover how psychological hope, combined with gratitude, can be the ultimate catalyst for resilience, well-being, and achievement. Don't miss this important conversation filled with practical tools and strategies for parents, educators, and leaders to embrace hope and soar towards success!
About Our Guest:
Cathleen Beachboard is an award-winning educator, best-selling author, and leading innovative expert on raising psychological hope in schools. Her Building H.O.P.E.©
framework has improved resilience, well-being, and achievement in thousands of schools across the country. As a sought-after speaker on well-being and retention, she provides practical tools and strategies for parents, educators, and leaders to increase hope so every person can thrive.
All resources for Cathleen’s book are available for free on www.theschoolofhope.org and the hope test and hope culture audit for schools are available for free in Thrively www.thrively.com/hope
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About Lainie:
Lainie Rowell is an educator, international consultant, podcaster, and TEDx speaker. She is the lead author of Evolving Learner and a contributing author of Because of a Teacher. Her latest book, Evolving with Gratitude, was just released. An experienced teacher and district leader, her expertise includes learner-driven design, community building, online/blended learning, and professional learning. Learn more at linktr.ee/lainierowell.
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Lainie Rowell: [00:00:00] Hello friends, I get to introduce you, if you don't already know her, to Cathleen Beachboard. Hello, Cathleen.
Cathleen Beachboard: Hi. I'm so excited to be here.
Lainie Rowell: I'm so excited you're here. And friends, I saw Cathleen was that last week. Oh my gosh. The weeks are running together, friends, this is a whirlwind of travel for us. We get to go all around, work with educators, which is absolutely lovely.
Cathleen, let me introduce you to those who may not have the pleasure of knowing you already.
Cathleen Beachboard is an award-winning educator, bestselling author, and leading innovative expert on raising psychological hope in schools. Her building Hope Framework, H O P E, she'll tell us about that has improved resilience, wellbeing, and achievement in thousands of schools across the country.
Just amazing. Cathleen, I'll stop there and ask you to jump in and just tell us a little bit more about yourself.
Cathleen Beachboard: So I'm a teacher, author, and a psychological researcher. Woo, three hats. I am the mom of seven wonderful children, five, who I adopted out of a case of extreme abuse and neglect.
And most importantly, everything that I do with Hope and with Gratitude, because hope and Gratitude are connected psychologically in the brain. That I've done everything that I've done for my own kids because, you know, honestly, we hear about trauma and everything else, but we don't realize that adverse childhood experience.
And all those negative psychological emotions and you know from your background in psychology that yes, they impact the brain, but these positive cognitions can fight back against it. And it is amazing and it is powerful and my children are living proof of what happens when people have hope and have gratitude.
Lainie Rowell: We are speaking the same language because I think one of the things, and I shared with you before, hit record. One I'm so excited as I'm, you know, diving deep again into the world of psychology is just the transformation that has happened over the last couple decades, and thanks largely to the work of Dr. Marty Seligman, who is the father of positive psychology, who really taught us. And there's a charming story about how actually his five-year-old inspired this, but taught us that we actually have far more control over the way that we handle things, like you said trauma than we may have been led to believe.
And so it's super empowering and creates a lot of hope and Gratitude, and I'm excited to talk about those things with you.
Cathleen Beachboard: Me too, because they're my favorite.
Lainie Rowell: Well, Cathleen, I want you to go ahead and start off by expanding on what you've already shared. You know, what does Gratitude mean to you?
And feel free along the way. Bring in that hope as much as you want.
Cathleen Beachboard: So ultimately Gratitude, when you look at what Hope Theory is, which was, you know Dr. Schneider was the founder of Hope Theory and he said Hope is a mix of three things, goals, pathways. That's your ability to form a path to your goal and agency, which is your motivation to reach that goal.
Goals, pathways, and agency combine together to form psychological hope. Now where Gratitude falls in is in a couple of areas. So Gratitude lets us realize our capacity to reach our goals as we're grateful as we reach those milestones. So it falls under the goals section, but where it falls the most is agency.
So we want willpower to reach our goals, but most people think of willpower as this thing, like a muscle. That's not what it is. It's more like the emergency break of a car. And you don't use your emergency break to drive, but we were like, Hey, just will yourself through it. That causes burnout.
One of the things that they have found, and you probably already know this, that helps prevent burnout and provides a psychological bubble safety net is being grateful. As we're grateful, we learn we control where we're going and when we control where we're going and we start to reflect and have Gratitude for ourselves, for what we've done and for the people around us, we start to see that we're in control and that leads to self-efficacy. It's powerful and it's life changing.
We talk about being grateful. One of the things that I do every day is you can plan, you can plan to be hopeful by being grateful. And so a lot of teachers are like, oh, I can't control this. Thing will happen. This thing will happen. You know what that involves pre-commit, which is some of the things that you can do to gain more willpower. So pre-commitment devices at the beginning of the day, I open three emails and I say grateful. By the end of the day, those emails already open. So before I close my computer, guess what I have to do? Fill them out. And so every day I am choosing to be hopeful by choosing to have Gratitude.
And so you have to interweave it into your day because it is an essential part of your hope, your agency, and it gives you that sense of control that, you know, we might not control everything that happens today, but we can plan to include those things to safeguard our mental wellbeing.
Lainie Rowell: Okay. I don't even know where to start.
I'm just so excited right now. One of the things I really quickly before we dive any deeper is, As I'm reading your book and listening to you talk, you've taken this, this word, this idea, this beautiful thing, hope, and you have made it so accessible to people because I do feel like one of the many things that hope and Gratitude have in common is that they can be words that are thrown around without real deep thought as to what this is and what this means in my life, and so.
I really appreciate when you're talking about this agency component and that we have so much in our control. And I'll be honest, I'm someone who loves control. So to me, to me, this is great news. You know, we have so much more control than it might feel like, right? And so I think that's amazing. And I definitely agree.
This is the stuff that's going to keep us from burning out a hundred percent.
Cathleen Beachboard: It is. Doing it with intention, that's like one of those key things is that, you know, we think of Gratitude after the fact usually, like even kids, oh my gosh, you're my favorite teacher. You've changed my life. When do they tell you that?
When they run into you in a store 20 years from now? But that level of appreciation and Gratitude is one of the things that fuels our willpower and our agency to keep going. That's why we have to interweave it as a psychological support for hope. And what's amazing is, so we talk about Gratitude, we talk about hope. Hope has been operationalized. Dr. Snyder, he quantified. Hope so, you can take the Adult Hope scale, the Children's Hope Scale. They're online for free. You could even do it after this. But if you're low in agency, one of the suggestions he gives all the time is you need to work on Gratitude.
If you're low in this area, this is something you have to do because if you don't, essentially you'll lack the willpower that you need to keep going in moments of distress.
Lainie Rowell: Yeah. One of the things you said earlier that I wanna circle back to, 'cause I think it it can have a good deal to do with agency, is this idea of Gratitude for ourselves.
So Dr. Robert Emmons, the world's leading science of Gratitude expert, often talks about the myths around Gratitude, and one of them is, To be a grateful person, you have to be completely self-effacing, which is not at all true. So he's really good at pointing out these myths that people may not even be thinking very deeply about.
They're just kind of assuming or just in the back of their head. But I love how you talk about we can be grateful for ourselves and look at all the power we have to impact our lives and the lives of those around us. So that is definitely something that gets me really hopeful.
Cathleen Beachboard: Well, what's interesting is, so they've done studies on kids like, because hope is so well researched, like the, the testing it, increasing it, and that it is a learnable skill.
Gratitude, as you know, is a learnable skill. Anybody can learn it and has a big impact size. So with this learnable skill that we can easily teach to another person with hope, if you're low in hope, you don't believe you can do anything. So that's where that personal Gratitude comes in, because you don't celebrate your wins.
Kids who are low in hope and adults who are low in hope, when they do something awesome, they're like, oh, I got lucky. No, you need to celebrate your win. And in my classroom I have this thing called bragging rights. And the kids fill it out. So this is a Gratitude practice anytime they wanna be like, I finally understand figurative language, hooray.
They fill out the bragging rights card and they send it to their parents to celebrate Gratitude for the moment, for being successful in that moment. And that boosts their hope and overall agency and teaches them to own their success. Be grateful for you.
Lainie Rowell: Such a good point. I think this is our negativity bias a little bit too, is we often attribute good things that happen to us to luck, randomness. This very specific example of braggable rights. I love that. And one of the things that I love as I'm reading your book, I'm not finished, but I'm already in love with it is that you are very good at giving specific, actionable approaches to this.
I think sometimes these concepts, when we talk about things like hope and Gratitude, can feel somewhat intangible, and so the way that you operationalize it, the way that I try and make it accessible is to say, well, you could do this, this, or this. You don't have to. There's a ton of different ways you can do it, but trying to get out of this very narrow view of this is what Gratitude should look like, this is what hope should look like, and I really appreciate you emphasizing that these are learnable skills. I want people to understand that because I think sometimes when we are lacking the hope and the Gratitude, we just feel so out of control.
Cathleen Beachboard: What's completely amazing other than just like learnable skills. So you, you're a very grateful person. You know it.
She's like, I've learned it. But here's the thing. If I hung out with you every day and I'm like, You know, medium on the Gratitude, medium on the agency, just by hanging around you, I can pick up those practices. That's part of emotional contagion. So here's the thing with hope, you measure it. Okay? So someone goes on, takes the hope test, takes the children's hope test, you measure your all your students, or you measure your whole staff.
Find out who those people who are high in agency, those are your grateful people. Then sprinkle them like magic little sprinkles across your entire school and spread them out because we tend to hang out with people similar to ourselves. That's what psychology shows. So people who are similar in Gratitude, you probably have some really amazing grateful friends, but the thing is, Those people who aren't, don't have access to you because they're afraid they're not like you.
And so by finding out who those people are, by the test, then you take those High Hope students, you put 'em next to the Low hope students, and this is what research shows. Even with Gratitude, this is how the contagion works. You find out those, those people who are doing it, and just by sitting a kid next to another kid who's low in hope over six to eight weeks, that high Hope kid, you're not bringing 'em down.
They're gonna bring the other kid up.
Lainie Rowell: Yes. That social and emotional contagion is so important to me. I call it my Gratitude mentors 'cause I do feel like I have cultivated a grateful disposition, but I always can improve. Yes. And I didn't get here on my own. I got here by paying attention and going, okay, I see how that person is doing it. I see how this person is doing it, and noticing that even though the way they're doing it might not be exactly the way that I would do it, that inspires me to make it my own. And so that to me is really, really powerful. And so now I'm gonna be looking for hope mentors.
Cathleen Beachboard: Yes, and that's what I talk about in my book, HOPE Mentors.
So one of the things to operationalize hope on a school staff is find out who your hopeful teachers are and utilize them.
Find out who your hopeful students are and use them as mentors for new students, because we go through points where we feel hopeless. For example, a transition to a new school, a transition from elementary to middle, middle to high. That's where we see hope dip. Why? Because it's scary. There's anxiety there.
And when we're scared, you know, it's hard to go into the prefrontal cortex because of the amygdala response. And so by operationalizing this and using the strength of your Gratitude, of your hope that's in the building, you can change the building. Use your people. It's not professional developers who change a building.
It's utilizing the strength and expertise and the psychological power that you already have.
Lainie Rowell: Building H.O.P.E., H.O.P.E. Is an acronym. Could you tell us about that please?
Cathleen Beachboard: So the research ultimately with Hope I've taken thousands of research studies and they're all mentioned in my book through little footnotes.
But essentially what hope does in the brain is it first H it provides healing. So for adverse, Childhood experiences. One of the research studies that I actually have a picture of at the very beginning of the book is they found out that hope provides healing. So even the prefrontal cortex is able to activate during moments of distress.
So you do not go immediately into fight, flight, freeze, fawn and flop. All the F words. Not, not a bad one though. So it's, it's amazing that it provides healing for the brain, and that's what it shows as we raise hope, we're giving kids self-efficacy and agency to remember they control their lives because, Trauma makes us feel like we are hopeless.
That like everything's just gonna happen to us. But it reminds you no, you have a say in who you become. Your yesterday does not have to define your tomorrow, and it takes time for that because ultimately we can't change a child's home life, but we can change someone's hope in life and that's like groundbreaking.
So healing is the first one. Then O is overcoming because as we're grateful, as we reflect on these things, As we utilize hope, it allows us to realize that today we might not control today and we might face adversity, but healing with hope allows you to overcome situations. And what's really cool, you're gonna look this up afterwards 'cause it's amazing.
Dr. Schneider, the founder of Hope Theory, actually went on live TV on Good Morning America to do a live science experiment to show the power of hope to the world. So essentially, and it's amazing. He went into a small room and had the host of Good Morning America, the weatherman and the medical expert all go into a back room.
He came out with a small slip of paper. He measured their hope, just so you know. And then he proceeded to tell them they're gonna participate in the cold presser task. And I know you know this 'cause you're into psychology, but for the layman at home, it means you're gonna stick your hand in icy water till it hurts so bad you have to take it out.
So all three men stuck their hand in the icy water, and Dr. Snyder wasn't even watching and it made the host mad. He's like, what are you doing? You're the one who said this was about hope. And then after a few minutes, the weatherman, he couldn't stand it, pulled his hand out. Then you have the medical expert and the host of Good Morning America, going eye to eye.
And after a few minutes though, the medical expert's, like I'm done with this, pulls this hand out. And then they were about to go to commercial break. So the host was like, I'm gonna leave my hand in here till the end of the break. And he did. And then he pulled his hand out and he was mad and he was like, Dr. Schneider, what does hope have to do with Icy water and my winning? And he said, this is what it has to do. Before I gave you this task, I measured your hope level. You were the highest in agency, which is connected to your Gratitude and everything else. You were the highest in pathways. You were the highest in overall hope.
And guess what it accurately predicted you would come in first. He would come in second and he would come in third. That's why I didn't need to watch you because it allows us to access the deep reserve of our potential to keep going in moments of distress. Gratitude will not change your situation, but it'll change you and how you look at the situation.
And it's the same thing with hope. It allows us to keep going, we're gonna face horrible things, death, darkness, divorce, who knows? But being grateful in those moments and trials allows you to rise above the situation. Being hopeful in that moment allows you to keep going in that moment to realize there's still potential for tomorrow.
And then so we have healing, overcoming then after that planning. 'cause it allows you to plan for a good future. Kind of like planning Gratitude into your day. You realize you control your hope so you can plan.
And then E is energizing, And the biggest thing is what Gratitude does.
What hope does it energizes you. That's why I can be like, On a call with seven kids and a teacher and a researcher and I have all this energy, it's not because of coffee. It's naturally energizes us. Especially when you get like a thank you note from someone like gratefulness and the, the people at home.
Just text someone right now and say, Hey, I'm grateful for you because of blank. Someone who matters to you and see what happens. And then immediately, I promise you, you do this one thing, you are gonna feel amazing 'cause you will get a response. We respond to Gratitude.
Lainie Rowell: I love that. That's a great acronym. Okay, so we've got healing, overcoming planning, and energizing. I wanna talk about overcoming for a moment because as I've been spending a few years talking about Gratitude inevitably there are those who come, and I'm gonna try and be careful about how I phrase this.
So toxic positivity is not an official diagnosis. It is a pattern of behavior. And is it a real thing? I do believe it is a real thing. Do I believe it actually gets weaponized? I do. And I think what's important is the overcoming. It's not that bad things don't happen. It's not that I don't have what we might consider negative emotions.
Those things happen or are happening, but overcoming is something to be celebrated, in my opinion.. Not, not to be put down, not to be shunned. We all have to have permission to feel, we have to give others permission to feel. But that overcoming is a very, very big deal. And again, coming back to this agency, we have to have that feeling that we can overcome this.
Cathleen Beachboard: And here's the other thing that's really interesting. You don't have to be an optimist in order to be hopeful. They've done multiple studies. I could be a complete pessimist and still have Gratitude and hope. What? Yes. So someone who looks at the negative side of life can still be grateful, can still be hopeful.
And ultimately, sometimes they can be more hopeful because they plan out for the bad moments. They're like, oh, this could happen. I'm gonna. I'm gonna plan for this and this and this and this. And actually that gives them more agency. So here's the thing we're not talking about just optimism. Optimism is great to have 'cause that does lead to better wellbeing.
But Gratitude and hope you can be it. You can do it no matter where you are. No matter who you are. And we know these two things. When operationalized change someone's life, they lead to achievement. According to studies, they lead to success. They lead to lack of bullying in schools. They help teachers stay because teachers didn't get into it for the money and for the fame.
They got into it to have Gratitude given to them for what they're doing. And so it's hope and Gratitude that anyone can operationalize and change a culture, change a climate, and change a person. And here's the thing. They have to choose that. So we're not talking about toxic positivity or you have to be happy all the time.
No, my kids, they came from a, a horrible home life and they were not happy, but it ha woke them up, was the hope and Gratitude every day that, oh my gosh. Yes, this bad thing happened, but it does not define me. I define me. And that's what it does.
Lainie Rowell: You talked earlier about how neuroplasticity doesn't happen overnight, and I think that's something that we have to keep in mind.
Like let's listen to the research. These things work. This has been proven time and time again. This is not Cathleen and Lainie sitting here going. I think this is a great idea. We are pulling from the researchers, the experts who have spent decades studying these topics, but that doesn't mean it happens overnight.
It does happen, in my opinion, somewhat quickly, yes, but it might not be tomorrow, and so you gotta stick with it for a little while.
Cathleen Beachboard: Yes. And, and that's the whole thing, you know, utilizing hope and utilizing Gratitude. It's really simple. Guess what? Schools, this is a free practice. You could start tomorrow.
And, and if you just do it by like even measuring it for hope or even just looking at, okay, well how much am I showing Gratitude to my staff what it is it? And I'm remembering there are love languages. So that's, that also gets tied into this. Knowing someone's love language is super important. Why?
Because it allows you to show Gratitude in the way that makes them feel the most loved. And so it ties into Gratitude because we all show Gratitude in different ways. It'll tell you how you show Gratitude that makes that person feel really special. And so looking at hope, looking at Gratitude, looking at the way people feel loved when you connect those things, you can have a big impact pretty quick.
And with some people you can change a hope score within a matter of a day. A day. Yeah. Because it changes the dynamics of the way they're looking at it. As soon as a person recognizes the power of the thing and starts utilizing the thing more and more, it changes their life.
Lainie Rowell: I wanna ask you if you could give us maybe one strategy or tip for improving our hope.
Cathleen Beachboard: So one of the things that we do, even with our, our Gratitude and our hope overall is we tend to passively take in information in the world. Like, oh, I'm gonna go on social media. And then you're like, oh, I feel sad now. Here's the thing I wanna learn. I wanna teach people you can cultivate. You need to be proactive with your Gratitude, with your hope.
You need to create spaces, even if you don't wanna change your social media because you follow your mother-in-law and she's really toxic, you don't have to change that. Create a separate account where you just surround yourself with the people you admire, the people who you inspire, you who the people who feed your soul, create those spaces and then, When you're feeling bad, enter those spaces.
Or with Gratitude, take all the Gratitude that you're getting from others and surround yourself with it. Because in moments of distress, looking back on gratefulness from other people brings you back up in that adversity to realize you do matter. You do bring something special to this world. You do have an impact.
And despite what's going on in that moment, It grounds you. It's like a grounding technique. You can use gr Gratitude to ground yourself. And so those are two simple things. Create a space that will fill you up, whether it's a physical space, a digital space, and make yourself enter that to safe guard your hope, create a Gratitude space that you enter.
Why is that important? Because we're gonna have bad days. Plan for the bad days. We make fire drills for fires, tornado drills for tornadoes. Guess what? You're more likely to have a bad mental health day. So let's plan for that. Let's plan a space that will bring us up, create it, and then enter it.
Lainie Rowell: Yes.
And I wanna just piggyback on that and say, I think it's important that, like you're saying, create that safe space digitally and physically. And the algorithms, what you're putting eyes on, what you're spending time on, what you're liking, it's gonna feed you more of that. And the algorithms and the social services are actually getting even more sophisticated where you actually can, on a lot of 'em, you can say, show me less of this.
Yep. And then what you'll see over time is that it will learn what you want and once you start really gravitating towards the more positive, the things that nurture you versus the things that make you feel bad. You know, everyone has a different experience when they go on the socials.
We, we could try and just say it's bad, but actually I think it's very different based on how you cultivate that experience over time because that's what the algorithms are good at. They're good at feeding you what you want, so you have to be careful about what you tell it you want.
Cathleen Beachboard: Yes. You, you really do.
And you have to be purposeful. So that's another thing is we, we talk about scheduling things that matter to us. Well, you know what? If you're hearing hope matters to you and Gratitude, plan it into your day. We plan our most important things like meetings and everything else, but we don't plan family time.
We don't plan, Hey, I'm gonna do a dad joke in the morning. I love dad jokes. They start my day on a positive foot. I do it every day. Like today's was, I stayed up all night to see where the sun went, and then it dawned on me, I loved it. And I do that because it starts my day positively. And so here's the thing, schedule those things.
Even at work, if you're like, oh, I'm super stressed. Schedule a coffee break. Like I'm going to go even put it in there. No, i e p meetings go, this five minutes is me getting coffee. And tell your principal or whoever else is doing it because, It's important when you take care of you, like, kind of like we hear on airplanes.
Put your own oxygen mask on before you put on someone else's. If you wanna spread Gratitude, be grateful. You wanna spread hope, be hopeful. Do the things to take care of you, and it will spread to others just by you doing it.
Lainie Rowell: It is pro-social. They both are. And I think that's really important because we talked about earlier the social emotional contagion.
You know, the behaviors you exhibit, the emotions you express. These are things that other people catch. And so we wanna put out there what we hope to get back and what we hope will spread to others. I am so excited to finish reading your book. There's so much great content in there.
Cathleen Beachboard: So I'm an author with Corwin. I know you can order things quicker on Amazon, however, they do two to three day shipping with Corwin.
If you use the code author, all capital letters 40 at the end, you'll get 40% off and then it's like 12 or $13, which is actually reasonable right now. If you look on Amazon, everything goes up and down, but that, that is a stable thing. So just. Order away. And here's the other thing, I actually make no profits from my book.
So if you're a Title one school and you're underfunded, I built this into my contract. My goal is just to spread hope. I'm not out to, to make a million dollars or do anything like that. I want to spread this message 'cause it works. It worked for my own kids. It works in my classroom. That's why I stay in the classroom.
I know this works. So if you're an underfunded school, contact Corwin and literally just reach out and say, Hey, we're a title one school. I heard there's free books available from the author 'cause this is her contract. And you will get those books because I've let my goals to spread this message. Just like your goal is to spread Gratitude 'cause it works.
Lainie Rowell: It does. And just like teachers don't go into teaching to get rich, authors don't go into writing books to get rich. It's really about sharing this message that we're super passionate about. And speaking of the social emotional contagion, I'm picking it up just seeing you and listening to you talk about this topic that is so important to you. I'm so grateful that you are spreading this message, and I do really love the connection between Hope and Gratitude, and I appreciate you articulating that so well. Friends, you need to grab a copy of her book and learn more. Any last tips before we get to your shout out?
Cathleen Beachboard: Well, if you wanna take the Hope test, I have a partnership with Thrively, so you can go to thrively.com/hope. You can take the hope test for free. You can even give it to a whole class of students for free, because once again, I've partnered with them because I wanna operationalize this so anybody could do it.
You wanna find out who those high hope kids are, the grateful kids. Find out. Then once again, if you're not gonna do anything else. Just seat them, mix them up. Because if you break that dynamic, you are gonna bring up the strength of the whole classroom. The whole culture.
Lainie Rowell: Absolutely. Speaking my language, my friend.
All right, let's get to that shout out.
Cathleen Beachboard: Well, mine is actually very simple. There are two amazing people.
One is my mother and she is my rock. She even moved in with me, seven children to help with the, the, the kids once we got them, and to help make it so I could focus on each kid individually, one-on-one. She has made my life amazing and I would not be who I am without her. And so my mom, and then the other one, I, I just have to give it up to my husband who took in all these kids, because I convinced him that five was like a small group because, you know, I was a teacher before we became parents.
I was like, that's easy. Like I have 32 kids, five is nothing. And so he was like, yeah, let's bring them home. So, you know, for that man who has been through everything with me and supports me as I spread this message around the country and with other schools, I love him because he's the rock. Why I go out and spread this.
Lainie Rowell: Hope they get a chance to hear those shout outs because those were very lovely. I wanna just say again about your book again. I'm reading it, but it had me from the beginning. I'm not gonna give anything away, but there was something that almost brought me to tears when I read the beginning.
You got to my heart really quickly because we do care so much about the kids and the adults, and how can we keep everyone not just safe, but healthy and thriving and flourishing. That's what we want.
Cathleen Beachboard: Yes. And, and Gratitude and Hope are two of the ways that research not. This is not just us saying this.
Once again, research shows this works and it works for anyone. It will not take away your anxiety, it will not take away depression if you're, you know, diagnosed. But what this will do is it's gonna help you feel better. As you are, it's, it's just gonna enhance your life. That's what all the research shows.
It will make things feel awesome, so you have to do it. It won't change your circumstances, but it'll give you the ability to overcome them so you can keep going and reach your goals and do amazing things even with whatever it is you have.
Lainie Rowell: Yeah, and the research shows our circumstances are actually somewhat small in the way of determining our happiness.
So again, we have a lot more control than we may have been led to believe, depending on how you were raised and all the variables that came into to how you see the world. But we have a lot of control and that's really to me, That brings a lot of hope with it, so I love it. Cathleen, please share all the ways that people can connect with your wonderfulness.
Cathleen Beachboard: So you can reach me on Twitter or X, whatever you wanna call it @CathleenBeachBD email, CathleenBeachboard@gmail.com. Those are the two that I mainly check because I'm also a teacher in the classroom. I might take me a couple days to get back to you, and then also through Thrively, because I work with them extensively to kind of operationalize this in about 110,000 schools across the country.
Lainie Rowell: So amazing. You are having such an impact and I am very excited that I got to meet you in person and then to have this time today to do a deeper dive. I cannot wait to finish your book. I encourage everyone to take a look . All right my friend, I'm gonna put all your contact information in the show notes and have a wonderful day and thank you all for listening.
Cathleen Beachboard: Thank you. It was awesome. Spread Gratitude, spread hope.
Lainie Rowell: Absolutely.
